Curse

Malice Black · Sep 12, 2007, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by Healers Wisper

Thats because Korea doesn't have the NFL MLB or NBA.

Surely they must..? Asians love American sports.

Boops · Sep 12, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

it's all right

with the introduction of wurm pvp and its wonderful prizes old pvp ppl will come back

Yichi · Sep 12, 2007, 06:17 PM // 18:17

Sadly, the most balanced and easiest casual form of PvP they introduced was the Dragon Arena.

Chicken Ftw · Sep 12, 2007, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

Sadly, the most balanced and easiest casual form of PvP they introduced was the Dragon Arena.

qft. like a better version of dodgeball, rawr.

Star Gazer · Sep 12, 2007, 06:33 PM // 18:33

ok, so I guess the trailer for Guild Wars which included Cynn, Devona, and that other ranger henchie was nothing? Wow, I could have sworn that it was PvE in that video. Seriously, GTF over yourself with all of your elitest PvP crap. Do what you want, and have fun with what you want. Why must people be such arrogant assholes like this guy?

Winstar · Sep 12, 2007, 06:44 PM // 18:44

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

ok, so I guess the trailer for Guild Wars which included Cynn, Devona, and that other ranger henchie was nothing? Wow, I could have sworn that it was PvE in that video. Seriously, GTF over yourself with all of your elitest PvP crap. Do what you want, and have fun with what you want. Why must people be such arrogant assholes like this guy?

So the game was also designed with a PvE element, but clearly the game was designed largely with an eye to competetion which is something which has been argued over endlessly in other threads.

Sadly it doesn't really matter at this point of course as others have pointed out. Best of intentions don't mean much now that a large part of the player base is alienated from lack of proper development of the pvp aspect of the game in the transition from Prophacies to factions>nightfall. Basically its start from scratch hopefully in GW2, and I hope they maintain much of what made PvP in this game so attractive at the start.

Phoenix Tears · Sep 12, 2007, 06:44 PM // 18:44

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Originally Posted by darkrunner25

The #1 reason PvP is in decline/near death is very simple and has been mentioned before.

The longer this game runs the less accessible PvP becomes to new players.

As it stands right now a new player who wants to pick up Guild Wars and play PvP has to spend $120 for the Prophecies/Factions/Nightfall PvP packs. Even then he will not have any runes/weapon mods/insignia's unlocked.

Then what does he do? Completes the training missions and the zaishen challenge and unlocks Random Arenas? Now he's in RA, he's got 10 different classes with 10 different secondaries to choose from. Thousands of different skills, weapons, armor, runes, insignia's to choose from.

So lets say he chooses a class and some skills and manages to win 5 matches in RA eventually (without getting disillusioned with the game due to the horrid state of RA). Now he's unlocked Team Arenas. Is anyone in TA going to let this guy into their team? Even if he manages to get into some pug group, the minute they ask him to Ctrl-click his skill bar he will be laughed out of the group and replaced.

So by some miracle he manages to win 5 consecutive in TA before he uninstalls. Now he has Heroes Ascent unlocked. There is absolutely ZERO chance this guy will get into ANY HA group, honestly. If he isn't completely ignored for having 0 fame he will again be kicked from any group that asks him to run some standard build that he will have no clue about.

So what are his options now? Join a pvp guild? Even the low level pvp guilds are asking for R6+ or Champion titles these days. So what guild can he join? A PvE guild, but are any PvE guild recruiting in The Great Temple of Balthazaar? No, so he /uninstalls and buys WoW.

For a brand new GW player with no friends in the game is there really any other way this scenario could play out? Lets face it, even the most hardcore of PvP players got their start in PvE. Playing the PvE campaign is the best and only way to learn to play your class, and in the beginning the only way to unlock the stuff you needed for PvP.

The only way to breathe new life into GW PvP in my opinion is for Anet to release a $40 PvP pack that is FULLY UNLOCKED. Every skill, weapon mod, insignia and inscription from every campaign. Even that probably isn't enough, somehow PvP needs to become more accessible, and I dont have that answer.

Sorry for the long read I got carried away.

-Phantom.

Thats imo the exact reason, why this game needs finally more options to gain fame in the game,. so that people get independent from being forced to search for a guild that plays a lot HA, to have a chance to raise your fame.
I ever asked my, WTF does Anet not implement any ways in PVE to gain fame points too !! WTF must it be HA only ...

I think, characters in PvE should gain everytime a certain sum of fame points, when they beat 1 campaign or complete the Add on, which is redoable with the books, so everytime u beat the add on, you get fame points again too.
Then everytime the player maxes a title, the player should receive for the character fame points ...

then should fame points become account based !!!, because what you do with 1 character, the experiece you have won#t you lose with an other character, that has not made so much fame, like ur main character, but the player should be still able to show the emotes with all his/her characters.

Everytime a player completes a master quest, they should receive some fame points, everytime the player makes a certain sum of consecutive wins in RA and TA, they should also receive fame points ...

the only difference in HA shold be then in the end, that HA would be the place, where players could earn most points in 1 rush.

Example:

Master Quest: 50 points
Made Challenge Mission: 100 Points
Any Campaign beaten: 250 points
5 consecutive Wins in RA: 100 points
5 "" "" in TA: 50 Points
Win in HA: 500 Points

Something like this. In this way every player, regardless of PvE or pvp and totally regardless of old bunny of GW or total noob, that started playing for a week ago, they all have the chance to get by time fame, so that the elite players will take them with the party, once you get into parties, its again only a matter of tries, until newer players will understand what they have to do, to win the HA with their party, then they get into the old guilds which have the experience and even clear surely their newbies up, however, but the fame system needs to get account based and needs then more possibilities to gain fame, other than only PVP, because that the great failure on the whole fame system imo !!! which lets players come to the point, which you wrote there for example, what i've quoted from you now. that newbies will have no possibility to come in into the game, because people will simple give newbies no chance to get the experience.

Then as newbie you can only hope, that there exist guilds, which are searching too total new players which will train them then, but such guilds are less, most pro guilds have for something like this not "the time"

lyra_song · Sep 12, 2007, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

Sadly, the most balanced and easiest casual form of PvP they introduced was the Dragon Arena.

Absolutely. I love it.

i was just having lunch and thinking about mentioning that. ^^

1 ranged attack, 1 melee, 1 run buff. Everyone has equal health and mana.

pure balance. It all matters on your skill at attacking, dodging, retreating and overall ping.

/petition for permanent Dragon Arena.

Yichi · Sep 12, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

Thats imo the exact reason, why this game needs finally more options to gain fame in the game,. so that people get independent from being forced to search for a guild that plays a lot HA, to have a chance to raise your fame.
I ever asked my, WTF does Anet not implement any ways in PVE to gain fame points too !! WTF must it be HA only ...

I think, characters in PvE should gain everytime a certain sum of fame points...

No need to reprint the rest of your post for an answer:

FAME WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN PVE BECAUSE PVE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PLAYER VS PLAYER REWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Youre not the first to suggest it and you probably wont be the last. but word of warning, it sounds just as stupid each time its posted.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Absolutely. I love it.

i was just having lunch and thinking about mentioning that. ^^

1 ranged attack, 1 melee, 1 run buff. Everyone has equal health and mana.

pure balance. It all matters on your skill at attacking, dodging, retreating and overall ping.

/petition for permanent Dragon Arena.

Sadly this is the only thing that actualyl represents Guildwars' origional ideal of Skill> time spent and it only comes around once a year

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but yes /signed for perma dragon arena

Chicken Ftw · Sep 12, 2007, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

Example:

Master Quest: 50 points
Made Challenge Mission: 100 Points
Any Campaign beaten: 250 points
5 consecutive Wins in RA: 100 points
5 "" "" in TA: 50 Points
Win in HA: 500 Points

. . . . . . .

What? As many points for doing a master quest as for 5 consec in TA? TA gets less points than RA? Fame for PvE period? Fame isn't already account based, since when? I'll have some of what he's smoking.

In before the shitstorm.

Star Gazer · Sep 12, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

blah blah blah
...
but word of warning, it sounds just as stupid each time its posted.

Pure example of PvP elitist attitude. Does it really matter to you so much that you do not wish others to have it? Are you that desperate for attention that you need people online to be able to recognize you with an emote of a pheonix? I hate to burst your bubble, but noone really gives a shit who you are, and quite frankly, no one really cares. That guy had a good idea to come up with a PvE and PvP solution. It is sad that people look to online games to prove they are H4RDCAR 2 DA BUN RAWR! with flashing emotes. Why not give others a chance to get this? Do not give me that bs of you having to 'do HA hours on end' QQ crap. I have not seen one person disrepect the PvP aspect of this game a bit. Why is it that when PvE'ers talk, the PvP'ers think its whining? Give me a break.

/signed for having Fame available no matter what aspect you come from.

Does this sound stupid enough for you, or do I need to repeat it again?

arcady · Sep 12, 2007, 07:55 PM // 19:55

Isn't it s bit overkill to post the same exact topic on both of the two major GW's forums?

Darko_UK · Sep 12, 2007, 08:00 PM // 20:00

Competitive doesn't mean PvP, Pvp IS competitive but - So is the Pve, Everyone is competing against one another to have the best armour, the best weapons, the best titles.

Without Pve this game would of died fast, Without Pvp this game would still be going strong. Pve is larger, has more content and has the majority of the player base playing it.

arcady · Sep 12, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by X Ice Man X

In South Korea Televised footage of War Craft III gets much higher ratings than live sports.

Gaming is rapidly growing into a 'sport' in it's own right.

Really?

Everytime I've been in Korea the only place I can find video game coverage is on the one cable channel that covers it - and it never airs anything for Warcraft. Only Blizzard game that gets coverage is Starcraft.

And none of my family over there has any awareness of this stuff. One person plays Starcraft casually - as in once every few months before he got married he'd stop by in a game hall and play for a bit.

I've seen a bus with the national champion Starcraft team depicted on it, once, in Seoul. But that was it.

By contrast, coverage of Football (known as Soccer here in the USA) and Baseball is all over the place. Everyone is a Football fan, and if it's World Cup season the nation grinds to a halt. Baseball is almost as big, but not quite, because unlike Football there isn't a world league for Baseball because we Americans seem to think 'world series' means USA teams only...

Basketball is also big over there, but nobody in my family follows it, so my familiarity is more limited.

Chicken Ftw · Sep 12, 2007, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

Pure example of PvP elitist attitude. Does it really matter to you so much that you do not wish others to have it? Are you that desperate for attention that you need people online to be able to recognize you with an emote of a pheonix? I hate to burst your bubble, but noone really gives a shit who you are, and quite frankly, no one really cares. That guy had a good idea to come up with a PvE and PvP solution. It is sad that people look to online games to prove they are H4RDCAR 2 DA BUN RAWR! with flashing emotes. Why not give others a chance to get this? Do not give me that bs of you having to 'do HA hours on end' QQ crap. I have not seen one person disrepect the PvP aspect of this game a bit. Why is it that when PvE'ers talk, the PvP'ers think its whining? Give me a break.

/signed for having Fame available no matter what aspect you come from.

Does this sound stupid enough for you, or do I need to repeat it again?

Elitist? Giving fame to PvE is f*cking retarded. It's like giving ecto per RA win or some shit. Why is it that when a PvPer shoots down a horrible, horrible idea, some random PvErs come out and call him elitist for it? Get over yourself, it's a bad idea and anyone with half a brain can see that, whether they prefer to play PvE or PvP.

I can go through Proph in all of 4 missions, master quests are stupidly simple with a decent group, and challenge missions are a joke. You want fame for that? Jesus. What's next, champion title for killing Glint? Gold trim for dancing naked in LA for an hour?

Star Gazer · Sep 12, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Elitist? Giving fame to PvE is f*cking retarded.

why? Why would this be retarded? because you say so? I say, get over your elitist attitude.

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It's like giving ecto per RA win or some shit.

and? whats the problem with this?

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Why is it that when a PvPer shoots down a horrible, horrible idea, some random PvErs come out and call him elitist for it?

again, I ask why is horrible? because you say so? welp, thats 3/3 on your elitist shit

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Get over yourself, it's a bad idea and anyone with half a brain can see that, whether they prefer to play PvE or PvP.

AGAIN, why do you think this is a community-wide thing that this would be bad?...because, I don't know, you 'elitists' think you own/dominate everything in the game? How about making fame available so people can TRY to do the highend PvP arenas if they want to.

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I can go through Proph in all of 4 missions, master quests are stupidly simple with a decent group, and challenge missions are a joke.

sigh, this is getting old. Sure, they might be easy for you and I, but what about those newer players huh? The ones asking for help that you elitist type people just ignore these...people who want to actually help see that some actually do have a hard time doing these.

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You want fame for that? Jesus. What's next, champion title for killing Glint? Gold trim for dancing naked in LA for an hour?

Actually, that Champion thing isnt such a bad idea. /signed for your idea on Glint. The gold trim? Now thats just silly.

Chicken Ftw · Sep 12, 2007, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

why? Why would this be retarded? because you say so? I say, get over your elitist attitude.

AGAIN, why do you think this is a community-wide thing that this would be bad?...because, I don't know, you 'elitists' think you own/dominate everything in the game? How about making fame available so people can TRY to do the highend PvP arenas if they want to.

Who'd ever bother trying HA when they could farm fame more quickly in PvE? Maybe a few hardcores, but everyone who's in it for the fame would leave, thus killing it off completely. You can't see that? People take the easiest route to their goals, it's human nature.

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sigh, this is getting old. Sure, they might be easy for you and I, but what about those newer players huh? The ones asking for help that you elitist type people just ignore these...people who want to actually help see that some actually do have a hard time doing these.

Don't assume random shit. Nobody who's actually good at HA randomly insults new players. Hell, I took them in groups sometimes, when my flist didn't supply a full team, and I'm pretty sure Power and a lot of others did/do the same. If you suck, you probably will get booted. If you don't, you stay, maybe even get added to some people's friends lists. You do get a few assholes who'll laugh about your lack of rank, but who cares? If you don't have the tenacity to make your own groups/keep trying/give some effort, you don't deserve anything anyway, really. I know you'll disagree, because you're one of those PvE'rs who wants everything without effort, but whatever.

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Actually, that Champion thing isnt such a bad idea. /signed for your idea on Glint. The gold trim? Now thats just silly.

I hope this is a joke. They're equally silly/retarded. Troll less pls.

Done with thread, cba to reply more to someone who won't likely ever understand.

Star Gazer · Sep 12, 2007, 08:50 PM // 20:50

thank you. you did what I wanted you to do - explain your side. all you said was no this and no that...good, you did more than that.

1) the glint thing was a joke. responding to sarcasm with sarcasm. sorry you did not get that.

2) I am NOT a 'random' pver that wants everything free. I work for my shit and I am damn proud of it. Getting fame however, is beyond my control. I have tried a few times, spamming in HA with the current FoM, but to no avail. I am sorry that some would be in HA just for the fame after they blast PvE so hard. But I find it hard to believe that those in HA would leave to PvE if there was fame to be had elsewhere. Even if it was a lower accumulation rate.

3) I have tried to start groups in HA. Noone was coordinated and it was just frustrating. After about 30 minutes of people calling each other noobs, saying GO GO GO OG OG O GOG O GOG OG OG O gets on the nerve real quick.

Yichi · Sep 12, 2007, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

Pure example of PvP elitist attitude. Does it really matter to you so much that you do not wish others to have it? Are you that desperate for attention that you need people online to be able to recognize you with an emote of a pheonix? I hate to burst your bubble, but noone really gives a shit who you are, and quite frankly, no one really cares. That guy had a good idea to come up with a PvE and PvP solution. It is sad that people look to online games to prove they are H4RDCAR 2 DA BUN RAWR! with flashing emotes. Why not give others a chance to get this? Do not give me that bs of you having to 'do HA hours on end' QQ crap. I have not seen one person disrepect the PvP aspect of this game a bit. Why is it that when PvE'ers talk, the PvP'ers think its whining? Give me a break.

/signed for having Fame available no matter what aspect you come from.

Does this sound stupid enough for you, or do I need to repeat it again?

Yes this does sound stupid to me. You want a reasoning behind it fine ill give you one.

What does giving fame for killing a bunch of monsters on your way to a dungeon reflect on your Player vs Player experience and knowledge? Simple answer is: it doesn't . Giving a person an emote for a PvE accomplishment I could care less about. Personally for some of the harder titles like the Kind of a Big Deal title track, something should be given to let the PvE players show theit accomplishments other than just a stupid title. But giving a PvP related achievement for a PvE accomplishment is a plain stupid idea. How does being able to kill mobs with a farming build teach you anything about positioning, or tactics, or strat calling in say HA? See the point now? This would only help those that wanna farm the easy way for an emote, that is all. It would further push rank out the window as meaningless even more than it already has been with the double fame weekends, etc. that have gone on in HA, not to mention the fame farming services and builds that ran rampant for a while. All the rank emotes are for is to give anyone that is joining a group a guide to the level of experience that group has, nothing more. Will that group always be successful the higher the rank? No it will not. I have been in high ranked groups that got rolled by lower ranked groups and have been in the lower ranked groups that rolled the higher ranked ones.

My attitude isnt PvP elitest. If you have ever read ANYTHING I posted than you would know that. I speak the truth, wether it hurts or not. And yes truthfully everytime this idea or suggestion has been brought up, It has been met with the same argument that I provided you and was pointed out as a stupid idea by the community, not just myself. But how is my attitude any different than what you posted on here? You say its the PvP elitest attitude that keeps you from accomplishing anything or any ideas that you or others post that keep it from being seriously discussed, which is very very false. The other PvP thread that was up and being discussed got sidetracked because the actual useful information that did get posted, was offset by a bunch of misinformation and when that was corrected it turned into a flamefest because people didnt want to admit that they were wrong even when confronted by this fact.

The fact that you did try to get into this aspect of the game I will commend you on. We need more people with an interest in PvP in this game to keep the community fresh and with new faces and challenges. The PvP community has said this for the longest time. And no I'm not strictly a PvP only player. I do enjoy PvE and some of the aspects and areas of it as a nice break to go have fun with friends. I do it alot actually. If you feel you need too pm me in game as "Mistress Yichi" (my monk) and I can gladly meet you ANYWHERE in this game and would accompany anyone that would invite me too. Now that i got sidetracked

back to my point. While you tried, standing in an unranked group in HA will take forever, but can still be done. There are plenty of places such as guildwarspickup on irc, your friends list, a forum for PvP players and guilds on the forums here, theres a "Friends list" in many other forums including this one of people that post their in-game names for guesting anf HA, hell even talkign to people in-game as long as you arent an asshat or pm them something thats immature and foolish. The first HA match i ever did was because i pm'd a guy i knew was a pvp player and did HA from a couple videos that were posted of him and friends in Tombs (HA now). We talked that day for like 2 hours with him explaining some of what goes on in that area and builds and such. He invited me along and I been hooked mostly on the PvP aspect of this game ever since. It doesnt take rocket science to get into PvP in this game, just a little homework

geekling · Sep 12, 2007, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Who'd ever bother trying HA when they could farm fame more quickly in PvE? Maybe a few hardcores, but everyone who's in it for the fame would leave, thus killing it off completely. You can't see that? People take the easiest route to their goals, it's human nature.

If HA is such a flop there is the need to force people to play it. If it is so unpopular that without the people who's only reason for being there is to farm fame, not because they enjoy HA.

It deserves to die and whatever efforts that goes into it needs to go elsewhere.